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Umfrage: LOST ein Rip-Off von 1977?
Lost ist kein Rip-Off	90 % - 9 Stimmen
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Es gibt jetzt von Anthony Spinner den Vorwurf, er habe schon 1977 ein Pilot-Script zu einer Serie namens "LOST" geschrieben. Die Serie wurde sowohl 1977, 1991 und 1994 nicht produziert. Erst 2004 soll Touchstone dann eine Nachbildung der von ihm entworfenen "Serie" produziert haben lassen.
Die Main-Characters und die grobe Handlung sollen also von ihm sein.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/13/man-claims-he-got-lost-first/
http://www.thetailsection.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/13/is-lost-a-rip-off/#comments

Er hat auch als ne Art Vergleich gemacht, was "Parallelen" aufweist. Mir fiel nur auf, dass Jack ja bekantermaßen schon sehr früh sterben sollte und es so bei der Charakterbeschreibung nicht auftaucht, sondern er als MainCast weiter verwendet wird. Entweder kopierte man das erst danach richtig, oder Spinner ist ein Spinner. :ugly:

Was meint ihr?

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Nach 5 Jahren kommt er damit? :rolleyes:

Gast

Zitat:

Original von mercy
Nach 5 Jahren kommt er damit? :rolleyes:

http://lost-fans.de/news/index.php?shownews=383

:rolleyes:

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Nach 4 Jahren kommt die News auf der Webseite damit? :rolleyes:

Gast

Ich bin mir nicht im klaren darüber was jetzt genau die definition eines rip-offs ist, aber ich denke schon dass lost nicht das rad neu erfunden hat!

Zwar bezweifel ich ernsthaft dass dieser Spinner recht hat, jedoch wird sich lost schon von vielen quellen inspirieren haben lassen! aber so ist es immer mit kunst und medien.... so ist das halt!

und auch wenn lost viele gute ideen hat, ist es bestimmt nicht das erste mal das diese verwendet werden, häufig wird dies ja sogar innerhalb der serie auf die arme genommen

Gast

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Original von mercy
Nach 4 Jahren kommt die News auf der Webseite damit? :rolleyes:

Die News is vom 22.8.2005 :rolleyes:

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Zitat:

Original von mercy
Nach 4 Jahren kommt die News auf der Webseite damit? :rolleyes:

Er hat es damals, wie im Artikel beschrieben schon mal versucht, aber irgendwas hat nicht gestimmt und die Klage wurde abgewiesen. Und nun versucht er es halt noch mal.

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Zitat:

Original von qu4d

Zitat:

Original von mercy
Nach 4 Jahren kommt die News auf der Webseite damit? :rolleyes:

Die News is vom 22.8.2005 :rolleyes:

Ich meine die News von der verlinkten Seite oben. Die ist paar Tage alt. :rolleyes:

Jedenfalls ist der Typ eh ein Spinner und er soll froh sein, dass es die Serie gibt. :rolleyes:

Gast

Als Spinner würd ich ihn nich abstempeln. Er hat wohl n Vertrag und kann alles nachweisen. Wie Wizzel schon geschrieben hat... LOST hat das Rad nicht neu erfunden, sowas gibts schon seit Robinson Crouseau oder noch länger. Ernst nehmen sollte man das trotzdem.

Gast

warum ernst nehmen? wenn der abc verklagt, wird das sicher nicht staffel 6 kippen...also ist es mir wurscht :ugly:

und ob das nen rip off ist who cares? hauptsache es ist ein gutes bzw. geniales

ÜBRIGENS SPOILER!

Special Guest bei der Comic Con:

Anthony Spinner :grrr:

Quelle: is pleite !

Gast

Wer spricht denn von kippen? Er möchte namentlich als creator erwähnt werden und n Teil vom Geld haben. Wenns denn stimmt, hat er auch das Recht darauf. Der Typ war mehrere Jahrzehnte im TV-Geschäft tätig... das is kein dahergelaufener Depp und abc trägt auch keinen Heiligenschein.

:rolleyes:

Gast

yepp, von mir aus...können sie doch machen, wenn es stimmt...von mir aus kann er auch schadenersatz bekommen...verstehe jetzt nicht was daran so dramatisch für mich als lost-fan sein soll lieber qu4d :rolleyes:

wenn er recht hat, soll er sein recht bekommen...punkt aus!

Gast

nichts

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Nach Lieber noch einer bei den Creator bitte, der ausser ein paar Grundgerüste des Pilots nichts dazu beigetragen hat. :rolleyes:

Übrigens ist sein Name Programm! :elefant:

Schließen bitte! :hammer:

Gast

Gibt es irgendwo Infos darüber, was genau seiner MEinung seine Idee war!? (?)

Gast

das mit den aliens

Gast

Jemand bei darkufo hat's imo treffend formuliert:

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thedemonhog said...

Here is a copy-and-paste of what I already posted at another forum:

Ha ha, my favourite similarity would have to be "Killing off of a lead." As if there were not enough problems with this case, one of the similarities is the presence of a "Female survivor who likes to show her body and becomes romantically involved with one of the tough men", which is (broadly worded and) a storyline that the cast and crew have said that Naveen Andrews came up with.

Another problem is that Spinner claims to have all of the shallow, melodramatic similarities (love traingle, leadership difficulties, one character having "a dark father-son past" ), in addition to a bunch of things that did not happen until well into Lost's first season, such as "Raft built but destroyed by natives", "Leads attempting to kill one another, committing suicide, dying of illness", "Use of flashbacks to the regular life", "Lone survivor of a science expedition is found". I find it hard to believe that he fit all of this into the two-hour pilot that he wrote.

The likelihood of the lawsuit being successful is extremely slim; however, we must not forget Jeffrey Lieber, who managed to get a "co-created by" credit, even though Lost is nowhere close to being a rip-off of his 'Nowhere' script. Ask for details, if you are not familiar with that backstory.

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thedemonhog said...

Lieber did not write the pilot with Lindelof and Abrams, as sixfoottallrabbit said.

A long brief history of Lost:

Under Lloyd Braun, the head of ABC, the network had sunk to the lowest that it has ever been. ABC was basically in NBC's current state (the fourth place network that did not have any hit shows, but did have a hit gameshow until they stripped it across every night of the week and people got tired of it). In the annual summer management retreat, the fifty top executives of ABC brainstormed concepts for new shows. Some ideas eventually became Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy. Lloyd Braun said that they should do something of a TV version of Castaway (that was the extent of his pitch). First there was silence, then other executives laughed and compared it to Gilligan's Island. But with Braun being the president, he commissioned Jeffrey Lieber (known for writing the film adaptation of the children's novel Tuck Everlasting) to write the script in September 2003 with Aaron Spelling (known for executive producing the original Charlie's Angels and Beverly Hills, 90210, among many others) attached to executive produce.

After a successful pitch by Lieber, ABC gave him the go-ahead and he spent October 2003 writing the pilot and developing arcs. Lieber's show was titled Nowhere; it followed thirty-five survivors of a plane crash (nine series regulars), centring on a pair of half-brothers who had just met after the death of their father. It was modelled after Lord of the Flies and very realistic with the way it dealt with people coping to suvive the aftermath of a plane crash. In November, the head of the drama department said that they would shoot it as soon as they got Braun's blessing. Braun read the script in December and fired Lieber.

Braun really wanted this to work and he hired J.J. Abrams in January 2004. But Abrams was busy with another pilot that he was working on with Greg Grunberg, so they hired a second writer in Damon Lindelof. Bryan Burk was also attached, as an executive producer, while Jesse Alexander and Jeff Pinkner were executive consultants. Abrams and Lindelof came up with the idea of the island being something of a character, supernatural and with a heavy backstory. Additionally, they came up with the flashback device to give the show a franchise. They wrote an outline and in an unprecedented move, Braun greenlit the project without a script and gave them an $11.5 million budget. Additionally, this was late in the season and Lost would become the last show to be picked up for the fall season on any network and Braun wanted it ready for a start-of-season debut. The project was so risky because it was so expensive and without a script that this was the nail in the coffin for Braun and Disney (who owns ABC) fired him. In November 2008, Lindelof described greenlighting Lost as "a final 'f*ck you'" to ABC and Disney.

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thedemonhog said...

A long brief history of Lost, part 2:

Because the project was so late, casting had to begin immediately, which is why so many of the original characters were written specifically for the actors (Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Jin), not in the original outline (Sayid) or greatly changed based on actors hired (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Charlie). Again, because it was so late, they had to start shooting before Evangeline Lilly was even on set because them hiring her had not yet been finalized. By April, Abrams and Lindelof had written the pilot script and the series was picked up by ABC in May. (Fun fact: Abrams wanted the characters to find the hatch in the pilot, but Lindelof thought that it was important to develop the character before they made the show so science fiction-heavy, so they found it in the eleventh episode, after Abrams had left Lost.) Lieber felt that he deserved something, so he obtained the pilot script and drew parallels, specifically that each show focused on a plane crash on a desert island with a cast of characters that included a doctor, a soldier, a pregnant girl and a rich girl. The writers Guild miraculously sided heavily with Lieber, even though the only similarities were the famous stranded-on-a-desert-island premise and some character archetypes and his script contained no monster, polar bear or flashbacks. Lieber received 60% of the "created by" credit, with Lindelof and Abrams taking 20% each. Additionally, Lieber got credit for "co-writing" the first two episodes and even picked up an Emmy nomination for this. Today, Lieber receives a low six-figure annual salary and is getting back into work this year, as his Miami Trauma Jerry Bruckenheimer co-production was picked up by CBS.

So, my thoughts are that Lieber should not have gotten that "created by" credit or at least not 60% of it and should have been paid some kind of a big settlement by ABC. I do think that Braun should have been fired. Even if he did greenlight three mega-hits, under him, his product of ABC had tanked and someone needed to pay for that (he was not the only executive who did, by the way). You can't just go greenlighting the most expensive TV pilot ever produced (to this day) when the network does not have that kind of money and could pay a huge price for it if it fails.

Und vor allem werden in den Vergleichen die Charaktere nach belieben gemischt. Mal steht der Charakter "BUTCH" aus der 1977er-Serie für Sayid, mal für Jack, mal für Sawyer... :rolleyes: